Since that thread is old and doesn't make note of it, you should know that you can only run Order of Pain OR Order of the Vampire now, NOT both at the same time. Most people just take Pain and save their elite spot.
If you time the casting right, you can have OoV then OoP just after it and so on and so on, etc.
That's kind of pointless since OoV has a 5 second duration and 5 second recharge, and OoP recharges instantly. Pick one or the other and go with it, there's no need to waste a slot just to fill in a gap of maybe a fraction of a second that one isn't up.
I've tried bringing both since the nerf and I find myself only keeping one up, so I don't even bother anymore. The slot gained by dropping one lets me bring another monk spell or a rez sig for emergencies.
Last edited by B Ephekt; May 05, 2006 at 12:00 PM // 12:00..